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Pete 
Tuesday, March 15, 2011
Hi Everybody !
This is a very serious matter we should discuss all together and i need a fast feed back . It concerns the future of our hobby .
Many official and non official sources are advising us to form a club . Dr Marwan Saade was kind enough to make some contacts with officials and provided us with documents concerning the way we should proceed to the eventual formation of an official club .
So please i need your opinion about this issue .
The best in my opinion is that we should meet all together or at least representatives to take the decisions and proceed with whatever we decide .
Waiting for you !
hisham # 1
Thursday, March 17, 2011
Why there is no replies regarding this very important issue....
Am assuming there are lots of bumps if we go that road....
Who are the non officials advising for a club and why now. ???
Just wondering..
H


Scratch building is my way. !! Dont u just Hate it when a warbird crashes...... A scale model is like a good book. The more you look, the more you discover.
saliba # 2
Thursday, March 17, 2011
Could be a good break for our hobby.
Decide on the time and place, I will do my best to be there.
Hisham, I understand officials are public servants/ non officials are private servants,,,





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Pete # 3
Friday, March 18, 2011
The number of replies is very impressive and show the interest for our hobby !!! Hisho and Saliba thanks for your feed back Thumbs
Personly i pull out and leave everything for your discretion Wink



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saliba # 4
Friday, March 18, 2011
In all fairness Pete, most of us seem to be used to logging onto the site and go directly to the Recent media section. I didn't realize this thread was there until it wasn't pointed out to me earlier today at the shop. I feel it is too soon to be pulling out, it would be more productive if everyone was poked by email to make sure all are aware.



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skywalker # 5
Friday, March 18, 2011
Captain, Geroge is very right. It happened that I just logged to check the weather on our site and discovered the thread today. Probably something should be done and especially if it seems that the time is right but keep in mind what are the advantages vs the disadvantages like restricted bands and noise levels and approved sizes etc that once it's official there is no way of such parameters not to be clearly defined. The gain on the other hand is still not very clear beside the organization ??????


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fouad.raphael # 6
Friday, March 18, 2011
Georges did describe exactly what happened to me also. That said I wish to advise that I am ready anytime to meet and discuss this extremely important issue. Among some of the advantages I can point out is the fact that being recognized would get some of the whimsical law enforcement guys off our backs (not to mention other parts of our anatomy...) and not be at their mercy every time we are stopped at a "barrage" or if we ever get "organized enough" to plan any sort of public event. Lack of organization for example has so far led to the recent prohibition of RC transmissions other than 35 MHz btw (I am not sure how many of us know this fact)...
I remember well the upheaval caused when one of the guys wanted to conduct some tests at high power levels; in fairness we had no "right" to ask him not to do it, since we all are ( with the exception of Capt Pete and Dany)and remain technically not authorized to transmit at any power level.
We could go on for days listing the advantages of being organized, but I leave that to the meetings.
And yes there are drawbacks as well just like in every other civilized society: one gains rights as well as obligations so as not to stampede over other peoples rights...

And Georges, I would paraphrase your statement by noting the fact that public officials are publicly recognized dictators and non official are private dictators, the only servant it seems is the poor citizen without much connections to the dictators or as it is commonly referred to: "wasta" ...


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saliba # 7
Friday, March 18, 2011
Fouad: I fully agree with you, you obviously know better judging by your wariness about the other parts of our anatomy. Spinny




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DanyG. # 8
Friday, March 18, 2011
Here again Pete, sorry for not seeing this thread earlier, it has just been pointed out by George and here's my feedback on the issue.
A couple of days after our Halate "journey" got a phone call from our friend Joe who said that a meeting was held and it was suggested that we should form a club or ultimately register ourselves individually (a list of requirements was suggested) case possibility to form a club was compromised or difficult to achieve in any way.
Under normal circumstances, in civilized Country, this issue would not have been a problem. To the contrary, it would be a must to organize any group activity.
Unfortunately, and in my humble opinion, present laws and regulations in Lebanon are not geared to understand/accept officially our internationally well known hobby and complications, to say the least are bound to happen along the way across this process.
My worst fear is that we could easily end up by having an official NO, due to lack of understanding and ignorance of the essence of our Hobby compared to other practises which are not related at all with what we do, and by having authorities (many departments/entities would be involved to grant us permissions to form a club) choose the easy way out and ban this activity due to above reasons.

Having an open mind on the subject, would like to discuss with concerned parties about guarantees to reach a happy ending if we decide to proceed with the formation of a club.

Ready to meet at any time at your convenience.
Regards,


hisham # 9
Friday, March 18, 2011
Yes,
I agree 100% with Dan,
since our humble hobby is being shifted in several
ways these days..... why go that road, then ....
and expose our hobby to rules and regulations which
are not up to a certain level.... and my cause future problems,....



Scratch building is my way. !! Dont u just Hate it when a warbird crashes...... A scale model is like a good book. The more you look, the more you discover.
saliba # 10
Friday, March 18, 2011
By all means I am still ignorant as far as what it takes to form a club in our beloved country. However judging by the posted feedback, the chances of a successful formation of a club seems to be slim to none. I can't help but wonder whether succeeding in forming the club after having gone through such treacherous bureaucratic journey is worth the effort. Realistically speaking, Seeking after forming a club can either end up in either succeeding or failing. while succeeding is great, failing on the other hand could very well turn our hobby into what could be considered as an illegal practice. How many of us would want our hobby to become illegal. I myself prefer to keep quiet,as there is no need to wake up the devil. Having said this, I am always ready to get together anytime to further discuss this matter.






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fouad.raphael # 11
Saturday, March 19, 2011
Does any one believe truly that our dear hobby is going unnoticed??? If so, then that same person must also firmly believe in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy!

Come on guys, by adopting this attitude we are giving the ill intentioned the best means to keep sucking us for "bakhshish" to say the least, not to mention the fact we constantly remain at their mercy....

This hobby is legal in 126 countries, (except ours). Unless we royally screw up, or get involved in an major unfortunate accident, no official turd would have the guts to turn such a request down (we all know how much they work on their public image and would do anything to avoid looking bad or be ridiculed in front of the public). Besides at worse case, if some low ranking bloke says "no" are we not "Lebanese" enough to pull strings with a higher up imbecile? When there is a will, there is a way!

By keeping a low profile we are projecting the image that our activity is "not quite legal".

As I had mentioned in my previous posting, the government has already recognized the legality of r/c modeling (particularly aircraft) by recently affecting 3 or 4 frequencies on the 35 MHz band to this particular activity. (cf the Lebanese TRA frequency allocation tables).

Why can we not be smart enough to pick up on this and formally legalize the hobby. I am convinced that if we put our heads to it we can certainly succeed and every one will benefit!

Left alone, Government will never approach us by saying I am gonna legalize r/c modeling unless we do something to push them. All we need is a bit of positive attitude. I think we should grab the opportunity now!






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saliba # 12
Saturday, March 19, 2011
Fouad!!! I never believed in the tooth fairy. I have never really seen Santa either but I am sure few of us have met Mrs Santa just as I have.
No seriously, We all know we are not getting by unnoticed, but I do count on their laziness to keep their distance. Also should we be thankful for the 3 or 4 frequencies on 35...I know I am still flying FM but how many other guy still do. I do agree legalizing our hobby is a good step forward, Between doing it and dreaming about doing it is the same as dealing with public servants and dictators.



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hady # 13
Saturday, March 19, 2011
sorry for my late reply i didnt notice the thread till now.
after going through this thread i beleive the most important action to do is to meet and discuss face to face this important and delicate matter .
please captain advise time and location for meeting urgently


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skywalker # 14
Monday, March 21, 2011
Well something is for sure, this hobby has been in full practice and full swing for a long time including TV documentaries etc... I believe our over exposure which deliberately was initiated by us and the latest public growth & especially the Hamat strip being turned into a "no fly" zone with new pilots still heading to use the strip, all this is what created the new move towards organizating the hobby..
While a guaranteed OK for a club would be welcomed by all of us, a much easier "NO" or best case a "very restricted OK" is the best we can hope for.
Up till now all official feedback is only on reactive mode and would stay this way unless we pushed further. As long as we keep the same profile we always had and stay away from "no fly" zones and calm down our nerves and enthusiasm for a miracle to happen, I believe we can keep enjoying our hobby for an endless time.
Keep in mind that RC planes and equipments are being brought officially to the country and checked without any problems.
Havind said that I am with any decision you believe appropriate for the whole group. After all, officials have an endless list of priorities to organize till they reach our niche if ever but still your call........Cause sometimes people needs to be reminded about some geographical facts from time to time.


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skywalker # 15
Monday, March 21, 2011
Keep in mind also that an approval would implict a technical study and official approval along with clearly defined channels. A rejection or at best "hang out of activities awaiting approval" is the easiest way out if our case was not assigned high priority. Things that most probably would be put in writing as well would be banning the usage of Amaz runway during the weekdays and on Saturday till 13:00 or 14:00 and any other use would be breaking a written law.....
In order not to be misunderstood, the best outcome would still be a an officially approved club which would accomodate our peacful hobby within modern laws similarly used in all other countries and would be happy to be of assistance in any way that would lead to this if possible ?????????


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akaram # 16
Monday, March 21, 2011
I just saw this thread by mistake. I believe it would be great if Guy can set up some kind of email notification to all site members (or maybe selected) when a new thread is opened.

Honestly speaking I do share the fear of Dany, Hisham and Skywalker and on the other hand I acknowledge the urgent need to get organized as the number of flyers and shops is groing exponentially and all of those started to create real problems for us and for our beloved hobby and we may end up being totally banned just because of those out of our control flyers. A club or better an association governing our club and all others to come would be the best way to take control of the situation. How much this is feasible to accomplish in Lebanon I have my doubts nevertheless will be glad if it happens and will do everything within my reach to help attain this.
I suggest we gather soon, maybe this coming Thursday or Friday to discuss things. While many will push towards going to a restaurant , eating and drinking, I believe that this is the only thing that will take place (eating and drinking). I would rather meet in a more quiet environment to concentrate on the subject at hand.


fouad.raphael # 17
Monday, March 21, 2011
Dear r/c fliers,

I wish to point out a very important issue: Though Dr Borgi has been kind enough to welcome all of us on his private property to share with him the joys of this hobby, we should certainly be careful in any endeavor we undertake not to burden him further by implicating his personal and private field in any formal collaboration such as the one under consideration in this thread. In other words and to be fairly direct, the Amaz air strip should not under any circumstances be linked to the association we may be envisaging, for that would bring endless headaches from the taxation aspect as well as other legal proceedings; this situation is certainly not what we would want to get into, and we should be seriously taking this point into consideration before engaging in any sort of endeavor. I mean the Captain has been kind enough to all, and we should make sure we do not bring him any headaches.... If any of us is connected with someone competent in such legal matters, we should take advise on how to proceed without infringing in any way on the Captain's full rights to do anything at any time to his private property without having to ask anybody's opinion.
I think the above is clear (though blunt) enough, but in my humble opinion a precondition to any action we might want to contemplate.


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Pete # 18
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Sorry guys i understand now what happened ! I thought that every one of us was receiving a notification for a new thread Confused
Your comments are great Thumbs I would have never thought of all the issus we can have Exclamation You really inlighted my knowledge about many things Thumbs
What is clear now is that we should meet all together Idea I can arrange this in the conference room in Siwar ( we can have diner or drink afterward if you wish Wink ). For the date and time , it could be any time you agree on Exclamation My suggestion is Friday25 'cause it's an official holliday with a rainy forcast Question
Waiting for your opinion WinkEmbarassed



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hisham # 19
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Fouad, we fully understand what you mean and that this issue is really very sensitive, but in your opinion, officials would look at the Amaz strip this way.. ??? I guess from my understanding RC flying is the same all over and they will not isolate any location ....
Cheers,
Hisham

By the way am in for Friday,


Scratch building is my way. !! Dont u just Hate it when a warbird crashes...... A scale model is like a good book. The more you look, the more you discover.
skywalker # 20
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Friday around 8:00 and up if possibleEmbarassed


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akaram # 21
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Yes, Friday is a good date, Captain, just state exact time and place.


DanyG. # 22
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Fine with me for Friday.


fouad.raphael # 23
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Friday is fine by me. Please count me in! Let us set a time for this meeting.


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fouad.raphael # 24
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Does anybody know anyone competant in legal matters pertaining to such issues whom we could ask to join us to help guide us with possible choices and alternatives Rolling Question


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akaram # 25
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
I think Zantout's wife is a lawyer, maybe she can help ?


HELIOS # 26
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Hi Guys, I was just informed of the thread by Alexi. After reading through, I think what is happening could be looked upon as an Opportunity to go Legit, Create a Club (Or Association) and put all Matters pertaining to the Hobby in Order.
I believe this was inevitable, mainly due to the increased number of Hobby Shops, Customers of Such shops (Not sure if the term Hobbyists applies to All Smile ), Subsequently Word of Mouth and Probably the latest incident at Hammat with the LAF was the igniting agent.
Despite the fact I am not in Lebanon, However I would like to contribute and hope to see things running smoothly. Below are some points which might be known or might contain some new ideas / guidelines that could be discussed during your meeting:
A. Legal Aspect: Keep in mind the Legitimacy requirements of creating a club and to which extent the club will be open to subscribers, indicating Seniority, Level of proficiency as a hobbyist and Corresponding Responsibility too.
B. Responsibility and Commitment: Keep in mind the Responsibility of Managing / Handling hobbyists and making sure they abide by the rules and regulations set, especially concerning authorized locations / times of flying and Safety Precautions during flying. Here I would suggest keeping Amaz outside and preserving it as a private location for Dr. Bourgi who entertains his friends.
C. Credibility and Reputation ( Good Image): Creating a Club or Association involves a Financial, Legal Responsibility which Requires Time and Effort. Make sure there is an Organization Chart / Structure for the Club that includes Credible Members in Key positions. Those members will commit to maintaining the club running in a healthy status thus maintaining a Good Reputation. (If a Club is initiated ... you need to go all the way.. It would be sad to start and not follow it through.. )
The above three points are of major importance. I think involving the Hobby Shop owners in a way that binds them to guide their customers and make them aware of the Rules / Regulations and Responsibility (Safety )involved to maintain a good image of the Hobby is very Crucial and Essential.
In the end all it takes is one rotten egg … … … Very
Hoping that the above will be of help, Good Luck ! Keep me posted Smile
Cheers !!!



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akaram # 27
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Helios, thanks for repeating things already said and as for the rest of the optimistic points addressed by you,we will have ample time to discuss such after we secure having a club ! At this point the situation is a bit critical and we have to find a way to become legit and form a club without being permanently banned or else we can immerse our heads in the sand and pretend nobody is seeing us and continue to fly normally until we get a permanent ban ...


HELIOS # 28
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Akaram, Your Most Welcome …..
“ Below are some points which might be known or might contain some new ideas / guidelines..”
I think I have Stated a few points not previously said…. Mentioning a few…
-Seniority of Club members is accompanied by responsibility….. for instance: One Can’t be a member of a committee and an innocent bystander while safety regulations are being Broken on the field…..
- Following up on flying within authorized times …. Ditto as above …
- Commitment….. I think it’s self-explanatory…..…
- Involvement and Responsibility of Hobby shop owners to Orient Customers pertaining to the gravity of sticking to flying Safety Precautions, locations and time …. I believe this has not been mentioned before…
I will not enter into a petty debate ( As usual ) with you now, Better keep focused on the Big Picture … My comments are of pure constructive intention not mere Criticism…… Very
Hope all works out well ASAP…
Once Again … Good Luck!!!



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saliba # 29
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
The use of the term "seniority" hints a sense of prejudice while we are debating if and how we can initiate the creation of a new club/ association? I believe it would feel less intimidating if we went after knowledge and experience rather than seniority.




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HELIOS # 30
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Saliba I think you got the idea.. Irrespective of the terminology used ....
I agree with you though ... knowledge and experience seem rather Impartial and more adequate ....


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saliba # 31
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Helios, I did not address you directly in my comment on purpose, which was because I did not want this thread to get side tracked, I only wanted to point out a matter of importance or at the least I believe it is in my books.
But yes without a doubt I did get your idea clearly though you probably know what they say: it is the first thought that counts.
With all due respect I do not believe you agree with me as I am impartial and not seeming like it. Please try choosing your words carefully when you intend to quote me.
Let us not get too side tracked here and concentrate on the main subject instead.
Cheers,



“I don't know the question, but sex is definitely the answer.”
fouad.raphael # 32
Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Just a thought on the consideration of organizing ourselves sufficiently to get official recognition: If we are unable to clean up our mess at the end of a flying session/day, should we expect much in terms of Involvement, Responsibility, Commitment, etc..

I clearly recall the uneasiness I felt when our friend Karl had to come all the way from Germany to point out the need to pick our garbage spread all over the property....

Let us remain realistic!!!!


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saliba # 33
Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Fouad I do agree with you about the need to pick up the habit of cleaning after ourselves at the end of every flying session, but to be fair that particular day a lot of the trash was left over for some gathering which took place the night before. for sure some of the trash must have been ours but it wouldn't have looked as bad nor as much as it did if it wasn't for them night riders...I did not see them myself but I do recall someone talking about them that same particular day.
The existence of a club should be supported with a certain income which in turns should be able to afford full time caretaker(s) who will be responsible for the general cleanliness of the field along with many other duties.
Back at my club in the UAE, we had many guys on the deck whose job was to set the plane on the runway and start the engine for us, also bring back the model after landing or crashing, they cleaned up the place after we left.
we also had a designated storage area, which was rented out on first come first serve basis. those guys also helped us putting the planes on charge the night before each flying day. Those guys were a good helping hand which made the flying days much more pleasant.
This is Just a thought of course, an idea nothing more.




“I don't know the question, but sex is definitely the answer.”
Pete # 34
Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Hi guys Exclamation Very happy to feel you all concerned about our great hobby Very Helios i apreciate very much your concern about us although you are abroade and you pointed to very interesting things we have to take into consideration Thumbs Wonderful to feel you with us Wink
Guys i suggest the meeting will be held on Friday March 25 at 8.15 P.M . I can do that in Siwar conference room but i thought it will be too cold and dry Wink Today i will check the restaurant Al Dirwandi in front of my house or La Crèperie where they have privacy room and i think more quiet than Dirwandi Wink If you have another suggestion for the place , i am ready Exclamation So tomorrow we will confirm the place Cool



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fouad.raphael # 35
Wednesday, March 23, 2011
I vote for La crêperie!


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fouad.raphael # 36
Wednesday, March 23, 2011
You know they have very fine "Cidre" Very


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SkyGuard # 37
Wednesday, March 23, 2011
There you are Gents!! been looking for you am like the most of you just saw the thread and I read some of it I'll go through them all and follow you up, I wish am closer so i could be more envolved, I cant even fly to Beirut anymore... good luck guys and I'll keep on touch.


skywalker # 38
Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Anywhere is fine as long as no food or drink would be served till we discuss our hot issue Very I am talking out of experience !!!


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hady # 39
Wednesday, March 23, 2011
anytime anyplace i will be there Smile


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DanyG. # 40
Wednesday, March 23, 2011
ready too.


HAJJ # 41
Wednesday, March 23, 2011
great
will be there.



scratch building is fun...use that right angle to set EACH WINGTIP at a minimum height of 6.5 cm...
saliba # 42
Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Friday is a holiday and a good flying day. Meeting then will waste of a good flying day, Why not make some other day in the middle of the week. I will be there of course if it must be.



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fouad.raphael # 43
Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Well, why no do both: That is have a nice flying day then meet at "mawessim" in that case?


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Pete # 44
Wednesday, March 23, 2011
Fouad that sounds GREAT if all who are coming can do it Idea Friday is a holliday and the consecration of the new PatriarchExclamation Forcast looks bright so if we can enjoy flying then going down to Mawassem do our meeting then an orgie Laughing it will be wonderful Thumbs Please try to decide tomorrow in order i can do the arrangements !
Skyguard am desappointed about you not being able to fly over here Question Hope everything will settle down very soon Sad other wise your squadron will arrange for a mission to pick you up Laughing Tomorrow is last call for the place Wink



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saliba # 45
Thursday, March 24, 2011
I have no idea what "mawessim", but if we can fly, and meet afterwards then I am all for it, and for those who have been bad I am bring my wip along to the orgie afterwards....



“I don't know the question, but sex is definitely the answer.”
HAJJ # 46
Thursday, March 24, 2011
I thought this was serious matter...now I don't know.



scratch building is fun...use that right angle to set EACH WINGTIP at a minimum height of 6.5 cm...
DanyG. # 47
Thursday, March 24, 2011
Sorry cannot make it to the field during the day however as already advised ready to meet at evening. On the other hand, would suggest to concentrate on issues to discuss rather then doing something else which might distract us from our main target....
This is just my thaughtExclamation


hady # 48
Thursday, March 24, 2011
i am sorry but i cant make it
tomorrow during day . i am free at night


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saliba # 49
Thursday, March 24, 2011
Hajj, are you expecting us to do nothing before and after the meeting to show seriousness towards our hobby?? Don't you think it would be more appropriate to come out of hibernation and leave your den before debating our commitment..
DanyG: As always you are the king of concentrations, I myself counting on you to keeping us from derailing...
Also I would like to state that I am very serious about enjoying my hobby, the day it stops be enjoyable and fun is the day I will drop it behind. My hangar is there only for my pleasure and not for me to be enslaved by my toys.
Anyhow I am going flying in the daytime regardless of where the meeting will take place, I will still be join the meeting enshallah.





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Pete # 50
Thursday, March 24, 2011
Hi guys Exclamation I did a reservation at " La CRÈPERIE " between 8 and 8.30 PM . For those willing to fly , if we have a bright Sun we will go up fly then go down to the meeting Thumbs So see you all at La Crèperie tomorrow night Wink



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hisham # 51
Thursday, March 24, 2011
Deal see u tomorrow.
('Thumbs')


Scratch building is my way. !! Dont u just Hate it when a warbird crashes...... A scale model is like a good book. The more you look, the more you discover.
akaram # 52
Thursday, March 24, 2011
What are you going to fly Saliba tomorrow ? The Stinson Reliant ? Very


saliba # 53
Thursday, March 24, 2011
No akaram not the Stinson, I have an old beat up plane which I have been trying to bring back from the dead for a while, It is called "Beat On".



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fouad.raphael # 54
Friday, March 25, 2011
See you guys at La Crêperie tomorrow evening.


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akaram # 55
Monday, April 04, 2011
Guys, I was contacted by United Issurance today in order to renew my policy. Based on some input discussed during our last meeting, I asked her to hold the renewal for a couple of days.
Basically I remember we discussed the idea to re-evaluate the conditions offered in the insurance as it is currently to our benefit and ask for a new group offer with better updated conditions.
Is this idea still valid, what do you think ? Anybody any input ?


HELIOS # 56
Monday, April 04, 2011
Akaram... Pls Count me in for any decision you guys go with ....


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hisham # 57
Monday, April 04, 2011
Sure the idea is still valid; I guess
count me in too,
Cheers
Hisham



Scratch building is my way. !! Dont u just Hate it when a warbird crashes...... A scale model is like a good book. The more you look, the more you discover.
saliba # 58
Monday, April 04, 2011
My insurance policy is still valid however if you guys feel it would be beneficial for the group to include it in some kind of a package please feel free to do so. I am ready to pay any expense to this effect.
I wasn't in the meeting and I am not sure what was discussed then. It would have been nice if the minutes of meeting were published somewhere here.
I think it would be beneficial to all if:

1- A group policy was made based on a minimum number flyers in order to promote better organization and to reduce the premium amount to currently going international rates.

2- The liability value was raised to at least cover all financial responsibility which may be incurred due death or serious injury to anyone caused by coming in contact with the insured flyer's airplane, whether on the club's premises or not, as long as the airplane takes off from any one of the designated airport.

good luck,



“I don't know the question, but sex is definitely the answer.”
fouad.raphael # 59
Monday, April 04, 2011
I am not aware of the expiration date for you all's policy, but I know mine expires on April 14. My main concern is to be able to determine if we can negociate more comprehensive coverage an better conditions before that date. Should we go ahead and renew before expiration with the understanding that should a new group policy be agreed upon, one can upgrade his/her policy to fit within the new terms and conditions. Any other suggestions/ideas that would avoid having to go thru a period without any coverage? All input on this issue is highly apreciated!


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fouad.raphael # 60
Tuesday, April 05, 2011
Needless to say I am fully prepared to go along with whatever decision the Amaz Commitee will adopt


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fouad.raphael # 61
Tuesday, April 05, 2011
Needless to say I am fully prepared to go along with whatever decision the Amaz Commitee will adopt


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skywalker # 62
Tuesday, April 05, 2011
I already asked for renewal, my expiry is April 14 and would not like to fly 1 day without coverage but if you want to alter or ammend the policy please count me in.


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HAJJ # 63
Tuesday, April 05, 2011
WITH ALL RESPECT, I GUESS THE COMMITTEE SHOULD MEET THIS WEEK AND COME OUT WITH A UNIFIED ADDRESS,POST IT FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW WHAT TO DO,AND MAYBE CARRY ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE INSURANCE CO,.
(MY EXPIRY DATE IS ALSO 25 APRIL).



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saliba # 64
Tuesday, April 05, 2011
Has anyone been designated to handle insurance matters or are we simply throwing ideas in the air?



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fouad.raphael # 65
Tuesday, April 05, 2011
Avo had taken the burden of negociating the first deal with the insurance company. I am convinced he did an excellent job, considering that the premium has not been increased in 3 years in spite of the changing economic situation; maybe we should ask him (if he accepts) to take charge of the suggested increase in coverage!


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skywalker # 66
Tuesday, April 05, 2011
Fouad, I belive the premium was not changed due to 0 claims in 3 years :-)


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saliba # 67
Tuesday, April 05, 2011
hahahaha, I am sorry I really do not mean any disrespect, I am sure Avo is very capable but why in the hell are we reverse engineering the idea. The premium on the other hand is another story all together, as far as I know it is 3 to 4 times higher than what they are paying in parts of Europe and US. Anyone knows of any filed claims in Lebanon? Trying to have an idea how safe has our hobby been from the insurer's point of view.



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fouad.raphael # 68
Tuesday, April 05, 2011
Not even for the near "catastrophy" in Zahle last summer???
I wish my medical insurance company had the same policy, for in spite of me having 0 claim in the past 15 years, their premium keeps skyrocketting.....


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saliba # 69
Tuesday, April 05, 2011
heheh Fouad you should point out to your medical insurance company that you are the drop dead kind of Guy.
I wasn't there is Zahle but I heard, unfortunate near miss, it had to happen in front of a crowd. Amazing how the whole image of our hobby can be flipped by one irresponsible act or was it two?



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saliba # 70
Wednesday, April 13, 2011
Hello all,
A new thread with regards to RC insurance is now active, everyones opinion is requiered there.
Cheers,



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