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mounirz 
Friday, October 08, 2010
**********************************DANGER*******************************

Dear amaz rc members and friends

this is an announcment to all holders of 72mhz rc transmitters, specially the ones operating on channel 52 72.830
this channel will be off limits due november 2010 ! i'll be carrying some long range testing on this channel, more than 20km.
any RC plane/heli/car/boat etc.. within this area or even more will be prone to interferance !!
if you know anyone using this channel tell him to contact me !
thank you for cooperation
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saliba # 1
Saturday, October 09, 2010
IS it normal practice in this part of the world to use model airplane radio Band for god knows what other purposes??? whatever but what about people who are using 72 MHz outside our Amaz ring, what measures have you taken to not damage their investment. Ok never mind the investment what if someone's plane looses control due to your practices and crashes into some other innocent bystander? who would be committing the crime then? With all due respect I believe such practices are wreckless and very dangerous, they are an accident waiting to happen but then again what do I know, I am no expert.



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akaram # 2
Saturday, October 09, 2010
Saliba, I second you ! You are 100% right ! This practice is deviant and therefore is sick, shows great unprofessionalim and darkness ! It is a pity !!!
Mounir, thank you for informing us but for goodness' sake go get yourself some UHF stuff like below specially designed for this purpose :
- http://www.nghobbies.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=137&products_id=501
- http://www.nghobbies.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=137&products_id=503

And stop playing the fool ! 3ayb ! You have no right whatsoever to hack a hobby frequency irrespective of anything. Tell them it is impossibe and that you need to use specialized equipment like I mentioned above and back off.


mounirz # 3
Saturday, October 09, 2010
highly appreciated guys,

alexy, i'm pretty aware of UHF systems even before i started this hobby!!! it goes back to 2006!! my test is on a "personal level" and got nothing to do with other parties AT ALL!!!!!!! and i will not accept "u" calling me a fool man. 3ayeb 3leik show some respect next time and watch your words.
i'm going to test on 72.830 MHZ and the test WILL and i say again WILL take place.
as for saliba channel 52 will be the only channel banned ! just make sure you are not using it. and in any case there is someone with this channel his TX power will overcome mine since he's closer to the plane ! but that's not totally guaranteed!
other channels will be totally fine !
im just putting u guys in the light of what's going on.
tests will be carried on a specific date(s) and time(s) !







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DanyG. # 4
Sunday, October 10, 2010
Mounir, i have chanels 52,54 and 56. Frankly speaking your "pre advice" is not good news and don't like the way it sounds.



akaram # 5
Sunday, October 10, 2010
Mounir, don't assume the role of a victim who has been offended. Get somebody who knows some english and let him explain to you that "playing the fool" is playing the fool and does not mean that u r a fool.

Back to your 72 MHz tests, again I confirm to you that everyone in AMAZ and I repeat EVERYONE was shocked and considers what you are doing pure vandalism ! Don't expect anybody to answer you here, they even feel sorry for knowing you and lending you a helping hand when you first started the hobby ! 3AYB !

Technically let me explain to you some things. To do long range transmission on 72 MHz you need a linear RF amplifier that is built and tuned to operate at this frequency. It can be a simple dummy one that takes your existing RF signal and amplifies it or it may be designed to use the trainer-out pulse-train and modulate a 72 MHz generated carrier with it.
Such amplifiers are highly illegal all over the world except maybe in China and thus you cannot buy a ready made off the shelf product (again except maybe in china). Whatever is the case most probably 99.99% you built this amp locally with the help of an electronics guy and what you dont know is that those amps are extremely dirty and definitely you did not build a crystal stabilized oscillator with PLL to lock sharp on the frequency and even if you did it this way which I doubt the final output stages of those amps are very dirty, in addition to amplifying the main frequency they pick up a great deal of noise and also amplify it and generate a great amount of sputter around the center frequency and then all this bouquet of noise + signal drifts as the output stage heats up ..... 72 MHz channels have only 20 khz separation thus you will hack the whole 72 band and your noise will go up to 73 and down to 71 MHz as a minimum.
I am saying this out of experience, I have built a huge number of RF amplifiers on different frequences, multiplex radio station amps and mono ...
All in all, I can say that you are trying to reinvent the wheel using stone-age tools.
Having said the above, you do as you wish ...


mounirz # 6
Sunday, October 10, 2010
Alexy with all respect i don't care about ur knowledge and what u know and what ur assuming !!

test dates will be announced on this forum,
ur all just making a fuss out of it, and for nothing !!!!!!!

im not going to turn the device on forever !!! tests will be carried during the week, not weekends and on three different stages of the day.

i will forgive the people who consider this test a kind of vandalism!!! trust me i have good intentions! if not i would have not mentioned anything about the test !!! just be supportive !

as for people feeling sorry to knowing me ! then i think they don't know me enough, and are judging on what u've been telling them ! and i personally can only imagine what u've been saying behind my back !

if u consider my range test is not right, or not suitable then what do u call the bombs ur throwing from ur plane !!!

Dany, i'll be preparing a list of people who i have to call before the test ! and i'm sure i have ur number


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akaram # 7
Sunday, October 10, 2010
Mounir, u r still a kid and an aggressive and ill mannered/bad tempered one and we see no difference between you or that kid Jad who thinks he is an expert in UAVs or his boss the professor who wanted to change our website in 24 hours ... And I am not the one talking about you, your ill psychopathic behaviour on the field before you left us almost a year ago is what makes us remember you from time to time with a laugh ... and your imagination is definitely not enough to get an idea of what we talk about you ...


skywalker # 8
Sunday, October 10, 2010
Mounir please make sure to include me as well in your contact list since I also operate on the 72Mhz band.


1 Airfield 1 spirit 1 Captain.......Old is gold....Amaz forever
mounirz # 9
Sunday, October 10, 2010
alexy........"rawe2a"

i advice u to be on my side ! coz u don't want me to be ur enemy Smile find someone else to play cat and mouse with.


skywalker...."welcome back and ur on the list"
people that are listed on the frequency chart are already listed and i have their numbers.



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saliba # 10
Sunday, October 10, 2010
Wow wow wow you guys, the subject here is the misuse of our modelling radio band, that is all. We each have our own personality and habits which we have to live with as human beings for the rest of our lives. The reason why we are a group is initially our hobby for which at times we allow ourselves to get drifted into situations we normally stay way clear of such as this one. We are all seeking fun and pleasure here nothing more nor less.
Mounirz I am sure akaram never intended to insult you though I believe his choice of words was not wrong but a bit critical for its closeness to be easily misunderstood, now having said this I have no doubt he never meant any disrespect. whatever the reason may be behind your practices with the modeling band, it still is a clear issue of miss use. I believe you are unintentionally putting our hobby in danger of being banned in the case if something had to go wrong. Apparently this is a risk you have no problem taking; however we do not all accept upon ourselves and others the same risk factor you support. You have turned this issue from a simple discussion of ethics to a personal challenge and even went as far as to use threatening language. There was no need for such language though you are of course free to use whichever language you choose to represent yourself. No one has any intentions to force you into stopping your exercise in anyway, otherwise this issue wouldn't have been brought up to you personally. We were simply seeking a little courtesy from a fellow flyer into not misusing our band.
akaram my friend, we said our piece, I suggest you let it go at that, if all that has been said is not enough to make a difference nothing else will.



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jado # 11
Sunday, October 10, 2010
we see no difference between you or that kid Jad who thinks he is an expert in UAVs

Hi Alexei, keefak "3ammo" ? Care to take a look at my 2 UAVs ?


or his boss the professor who wanted to change our website in 24 hours

That guy is actually my programmer. he had good intentions, but you were aggressive.


On a side note, i would like to inform you "3ammo" that i did exactly what i had in mind, I currently have two UAV's, One of them is VTOL capable and the other is a fixed wing. when i fly the VTOL i actually remove the TX and the "Laptop" from sight and actually go play catch with the craft. Im 19 years old, my university professors have more respect for me then i do for them. They actually had a hard time understanding how My UAVs work. You can say That i am a kid, i actually don't mind. Hearing that im still a kid, and knowing what i have accomplished so far makes me wonder what will i actually make when im Older ! You see "3ammo" its not about age, not at all.Its about Brains, and motive. If you have the motive to step on the moon, no one can stop you. if you aspire for little, you are going to get a little. I personally aspire BIG and i actually get BIG in return.

Вы сэр должно быть стыдно за себя, а не расширения возможностей наших "молодых" умы, вы работаете на их уничтожение. Хорошо, что меня и Мунир не дают дерьмо обо всем, что вы говорите, мы на самом деле делать то, что мы считаем правильным делать.

Let me talk a bit about the subject at hand, Who gives a Fuc* if he does transmit some PPM/PCM signals over 72mhz Other than people in amaz, who might be flying or operating a PCM/PPM oriented device other than yourselfs ! Besides, any other equipment operating on the 72Mhz band will not really be affected unless it is in close proximity to the transmitting device,or the device itself encodes/decodes PPM/PCM !

Finally, Alexei, i don't have previous personal encounters with you, other than that one phone call, when you requested my Cell phone number.
And from the brief encounters over here i can clearly notice that you have got some sort of issues.
Bear in mind that i don't "really" know you, and i have reports from guys who tell me that you actually are a good person. Previously i used to ask you for help. Now i can clearly tell you, If you need help in anything, please don't hesitate to ask, you will not get a negative attitude from me. In fact, take a look at how you are treating us, you will get the strictly inverse of that.
I don't really encourage you to challenge me, in fact be my guest.




JAD BERRO
fouad.raphael # 12
Monday, October 11, 2010
Mounir, I thought I would mention that the 50 MHz RC channels are dedicated to Ham band operators who typically transmit high powers (and long range), as I believe you are aware. Excellent quality equipment is available in that band at very reasonable prices (even locally, re ICOM, YAESU, etc...). Is there a possibility you might use that band (which btw gives you 50% increase in range over the 72MHz band - for similar TX power output which I presume is your ultimate goal)? This might be an elegant way out with minimal risk of perturbation to most Radio frequency users/operators (RC as well as others) since effective coordination for such experimentation may not be feasible for the reasons mentioned on this thread and a myriad of other reasons not mentioned.
Furthermore, from the legal standpoint, it seems to me you have publicly announced that you will be breaking the regulation. This might leave you open to all sorts of complications which I am sure you do not want.
Finally I would suggest that all RC users be advised of the tests to be conducted in detail (eirp, radiation pattern, transmission spectral envelope, etc.. to just name a few in addition to the time and duration) , so as to avoid potential misinterpretation. If it is written, then everybody would be in sync, as compared to phone conversations whereby everyone may not get the same info.


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fouad.raphael # 13
Monday, October 11, 2010
Jado, Have you published any of your uav works? I would be interested o read up on some of what you have accomplished!


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akaram # 14
Monday, October 11, 2010
Mounir, your threateing is unacceptable !!! I advise you to APOLOGIZE here in public ! you have crossed the line for sure ...


akaram # 15
Monday, October 11, 2010
Thank you for offering help Jad, we prefer to live in the dark.
Also thank you for showing respect to the whole RC community in this country "Who gives a Fuc* if he does transmit some PPM/PCM signals over 72mhz Other than people in amaz"
We are very happy to know you have a big brain, take care not to bend over too much when standing on balconies ...
Good manners and etiquette are taught in families, unfortunately many lack this kind of important education ...


jado # 16
Monday, October 11, 2010
Thank you for offering help Jad, we prefer to live in the dark.

Don't be playing the fool here, "3ammo".
And why do you keep saying "We" ? I actually think that no one has support for the actions you make!

Also thank you for showing respect to the whole RC community in this country "Who gives a Fuc* if he does transmit some PPM/PCM signals over 72mhz Other than people in amaz"

Is The whole of Lebanon a circle with ~20Km radius around amaz ? Again, don't be playing the fool.

We are very happy to know you have a big brain, take care not to bend over too much when standing on balconies ...

How old are you !!!

Good manners and etiquette are taught in families, unfortunately many lack this kind of important education ...

Again, don't be playing the fool here, you dragged me into this, all you do is insult ya "3ammo".
If you notice what i said above is nothing against you in person, its rather on how you are acting and behaving with us. You on the other hand, insult our person, not how we act nor what we think, which is simply childish.

Mr. Fouad, unfortunately, due to contract i can not publicly display anything related to the projects online. They serve a role ;)
Send me an email, and ill reply back with whatever i can disclose about the projects
Email: berrojad@gmail.com




JAD BERRO
skywalker # 17
Monday, October 11, 2010
RC modeling and flying is a well known hobby which people do for fun and constructive passtime along making good friends.....Sadly in this part of the world and especially in this thread it is showing to be a place of agression, disrispect of other people's freedom, show-off and inferiority complex treatment.
Alexei always acted in a very helpful way with all fellow pilots in Amaz and his immediate reply here is what everyone felt when reading this thread but were not put in words.
Mounir I am sure that by going public here you meant well by warning pilots and making sure to update them to avoid no accidents but still such move is alarming especially that you are aware that geting a plane from abroad is already a big Pain in the A#$ so people act protectively in the risk of any frequency hazard.
I urgently ask you Mounir to coordinate well all the process to avoid mishapps that I am sure you don't like to cause and hope to see you back soon in Amaz.BTW Fouad is a reference in similar issues and it would not hurt to consult him.


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skywalker # 18
Monday, October 11, 2010
Not again !!!!! please keep this website for RC discussion only.....
As for you Mounir you should turn back from the dark side and show back in Amaz, it would be easier to contain you Very


1 Airfield 1 spirit 1 Captain.......Old is gold....Amaz forever
akaram # 19
Monday, October 11, 2010
Jad, why are you reading and following everything on this website, what business do you have here ? We do not know you and do not want to know you, we have no interests in common and what we are doing (enjoying a hobby) is totally different from what you are doing so your follow up here clearly exposes you as a SPY for some party.
Now you have not only insulted Amaz members, by saying "The whole of Lebanon a circle with ~20Km radius around amaz ?" you went off limits and are getting into politics and sectarianism.

You are still a kid with megalomania disorder. As for this website it belongs to us and by us I mean a close group of friends sharing the same passion which is our hobby and we are free to say and to talk about you or whatever we want here and you shouldnt be reading this because you dont belong here.
Back off, keep your nose to the grindstone and let us not hear about you anymore ...


jado # 20
Monday, October 11, 2010


Actually i don't follow up on everything on this website, but i guess the act of insulting me here required a good response, don't you think ? Or you did not expect me to see that! And no i don't have business here, other than clearing my name against all the aggregations that have happened.





Again the "we", when you know me in person, and im sure that you will, you will regret this Smile Im a very good person, you are not even allowing me to act nice with you Smile


so your follow up here clearly exposes you as a SPY for some party.

Big fan of conspiracy theory ?


Now you have not only insulted Amaz members, by saying "The whole of Lebanon a circle with ~20Km radius around Amaz ?" you went off limits and are getting into politics and sectarianism.

Alexei, read properly. What i meant is that in contradiction with what you said, not all of Lebanon will be affected by his small device its just a 20KM radius circle around amaz ! Again, you have some conspiracy theory brewing in your head ! sectarianism and politics !?


You are still a kid with megalomania disorder.

Yeah, im a modern day don Quixote. My uavs are made of paper and Rubber bands Very


As for this website it belongs to us and by us I mean a close group of friends sharing the same passion which is our hobby and we are free to say and to talk about you or whatever we want here and you shouldn't be reading this because you don't belong here.
Back off, keep your nose to the grindstone and let us not hear about you anymore ...


Ohh really, you feel insecure about yourself now that you are asking me to stop ? Fine Smile Im out of here. But make sure not to mention my name ever again, because if u do, you need to expect a response from me. I personally have nothing against you, nor against anyone of the nice group here. i took a look around the site and found out that most if not all of them are friendly people ! Except you Alexei. i don't even have a proper explanation on why you are doing this Smile

Oh and Mr Raphael, im waiting for that email Smile
anyone else can also contact me.

In fact i want to venture into model RC with no autonomy once im done with the UAVs. Their is no fun with a plane that flies it self ! Smile i was wondering if amaz might be the place to join !

Email: berrojad@gmail.com

just so this is not fully off topic, I tell Mounir, Be the bigger man, if they are not comfortable with you testing your equipment in amaz, then fine, Don't! Smile find someplace else ;)


JAD BERRO
mounirz # 21
Monday, October 11, 2010
Fouad, thanks for the info.

Alexy, ya 7abibi,, it was an advise and not a threat.
as for """your threateing is unacceptable !!! I advise you to APOLOGIZE here in public ! you have crossed the line for sure .."" well i won't mind saying sorry. after all i'm a good guy with good intentions !!
SORRY alexy, if that makes u feel better and secure.
will carry my test far away





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akaram # 22
Monday, October 11, 2010
OK, apology accepted Smile
Just saw ur MC, will call u in a while, was a bit busy.


skywalker # 23
Tuesday, October 12, 2010
And they lived happily ever after...................


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HELIOS # 24
Thursday, October 14, 2010
.......Any Off-springs ??? .... ever after ....


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akaram # 25
Thursday, October 14, 2010
Both of you are silly, SW and Helios, after all Mounirz is an old friend of ours and not an insolent gatecrasher ...


HELIOS # 26
Thursday, October 14, 2010
Strange .. The Remark was on SW's Off-Track comment.... Spinny


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Air-Wolf # 27
Thursday, October 14, 2010
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh what did i miss here......... i wish i saw that before when it was still on fireeeeeeeeeee Smile keep it up guys, those discussions is what keeps the forum alive, good job Mounir , Alexy, Jad, and all behind the scenes contributors...


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akaram # 28
Thursday, October 14, 2010
Eh ahlein ! Were you hibernating Lupus? It's a show we are running for you here ! Ma heik ??? Thanks God Jado's genius professor did not enter the discussion ! Very

Shou ya Mounir, when r u going to turn on that device ??? is this what you got ?
Chinese 72 MHz Linear Amp
With a good antenna that thing will do 40 kms, nice, no ? you like ? Very


akaram # 29
Thursday, October 14, 2010
Sorry, this is what you got !, disregard the above


mounirz # 30
Friday, October 15, 2010
nop, something "betterrrr" Smile really no chinese crap
keep on searching !!!!!!

besides you operate on 40mhz man, why are you so interested in what im doin?



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