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akaram 
Monday, July 13, 2009
In this post I want to address 2 main issues that are starting to become a real big problem and a huge source of annoyance and danger at AMAZ !
Take note that all the old AMAZ community agrees on this and please take this seriously into consideration !

Overcrowdedness: Notice that lately it is becoming nearly impossible to breathe at AMAZ airfield not to mention flying ! Everybody is annoyed from this, notice that the Captain barely gets a chance to fly and usually does not fly at all !!! What is the main reason behind this ??? Well, the main reason we agree is the new hobby shops that opened in Lebanon and are using the AMAZ field for all their newly-hatched customers !!! While we all agree that some of those are nice people and they became our friends, this cannot go on and should be cut short immediately !!! The number of new people is growing exponentially whereas the place is limited, originally it is a private strip property of Dr. Borgi and not a model club open to everybody. The Captain being the nice person he is will never ever say anything to stop this and will always welcome everybody but this does not mean that deep inside he likes what is happening and we urge you to take action and stop this immediately !!! The worst part of it is that some of those “customers” are NOT NICE at all and actually are very annoying, irritating, rude, impolite, ill mannered and lack basic behavioral education like that guy last Saturday who had the nerve to open my fieldbox, take and use whatever he needed without asking permission and I don’t even know him and had never seen him, with such people we will soon start having cases of robbery on the field !!! We urge those who brought such people to the field in the first place, to ask them not to show up there anymore !!!

Safety: All those newcomers started to pose a real risk to our lives and property, only within the past couple of weeks we have had a couple of direct hits on our sitting area and near misses from newcomers !!! Imagine what could be the end result, it can easily be death !!! Later that could escalate to real problems on a higher level !!!! Nobody seems to care or understand this !!!
The solution should involve several steps:
1- As of Saturday July 25, 2009 nobody is allowed to fly at AMAZ unless he has or has already applied and paid for insurance ! This Saturday will be the last chance for all those who still do not have an insurance to apply for one(contact Mr. Avedis Tutunjian or call me for info), after that those without an insurance are not welcome and will not be allowed to fly.
2- A strict set of security rules will be put and everybody will have to comply and adhere to the rules. These rules will regulate the way beginners will be flying, test flights of new models have to be supervised by experienced pilots, no-fly zones will be defined, frequencies will be strictly controlled, breaking-in new engines will have to be done before 9:00 am or after dawn and not during the day, starting planes on the bench is strictly forbidden, if 2 people are to fly together they should have agreed on that beforehand, starting/test running engines on the field while somebody is flying without his consent is strictly forbidden, flying will be regulated by turns, everybody will have his own turn and nobody is allowed to go up and fly without a turn, ..and many more…… These rules will be circulated and their implementation will be forced.

We have lost a lot of the old generation pilots due to the above and will soon be losing more if no action is taken and we hope that the contents of this thread will be well circulated among newcomers !
skywalker # 1
Monday, July 13, 2009
I totally agree with the above rules and I would suggest for every new comer not to be allowed to fly until he secure his insurance and apply for membership. A membership board which have the right to allow or reject any application according to the present registered number of pilots.
This Weekend we should have finished finalizing a set of rules and distributed it in Amaz and would be applicable and mandatory by July 25. All radio frequencies should be registered and cleared before every flight along with a turn list written on the field.
LET US ACT BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE, LATELY 1 VEHICLE HAS BEEN HIT, 2 CONSECUTIVE ACCIDENTS IN THE SITTING AREA AND THE COUNT OF DAILY CRASHES IS GOING HIGHER WITH THE LATEST SERIES OF POP-CORNED SIMULATOR PILOTS.


1 Airfield 1 spirit 1 Captain.......Old is gold....Amaz forever
hisham # 2
Monday, July 13, 2009
Totally agree with all of the above.
Thanks Sexy Alexi for bringing this up subjectively and honestly,...Smile
Guess This issue has been discussed several times at the field as well..


Scratch building is my way. !! Dont u just Hate it when a warbird crashes...... A scale model is like a good book. The more you look, the more you discover.
akaram # 3
Monday, July 13, 2009
Below a draft of rules, please add/comment/correct as you see fit ! We should finalize those in a nearby meeting.


akaram # 4
Monday, July 13, 2009
1- Nobody is allowed to fly unless he has a valid insurance and the AMAZ-Pilots’ card (the card is free and issued upon the approval of a special senior committee)
2- Heavy swearing and dirty jargon are to be abstained from on the field, all communications should be done in a nice language that reflects good culture and not the opposite.
3- Nobody is allowed to touch anybody’s belongings especially models and field equipment, violators will be shot, survivors will be shot again !
4- Anybody whoever he is if he arrives with his children to the field, is to stay with his children and control them. No children are allowed near the workbench, near large models on the ground or near the runway ! This is for their own and our models’ safety.
5- NO RC cars are allowed at or near the field.
6- All frequencies are to be controlled, upon arrival everyone should mark his frequency with a peg.
7- The place should be kept clean, we are not pigs ! What is happening is that at the end of the day always the same people are collecting the trash from all over. If you cannot abstain from littering, do not come, you are not welcome ! otherwise every person should pick up his own litter.
8- Newcomers are not allowed to fly their models. Test flights can be conducted at the discretion of the senior members’ committee by a senior pilot and the further acceptance of the person as a member of the group and as a solo pilot completely relies on the committee’s decision.
9- Planes are not to be started on the bench.
10- The area to the South of the runway is a no-fly zone.
11- Engine break-in is not to be done during the day, only before 9:00am or after dawn.
12- No one is allowed to fly if another model is in the air unless the 2 pilots both agreed on that and have no problems and are able to safely follow a safe pattern to avoid collisions.
13- Anybody flying recklessly will be ordered to land immediately by any of the members of the senior committee.
14- Test running engines on the ground while somebody is flying is strictly forbidden unless the person flying and the person on the ground both agree and the person flying has no problem with that.
15- When more than 10 people are at the field, flying will be governed by a queue and everybody will be expected to abide and wait for his turn to come.
16- Newcomers who are referred by a current member are to be educated and a copy of those rules is to be handed to them upon or before arrival.
17- 17- All new models must have a radio check conducted with the assistance of another member.
18- Any new model should be inspected by the senior committee and if it is classified as not airworthy, it is not allowed to fly.
19- No spectators are allowed near the workbench or near the runway.
20- Turbine models, Gas powered scale models and glow powered fixed wing aircraft are the primary users of AMAZ airfield. Helicopters and other models like foamies, parkfliers … may use the airfield when the primary use groups are not present or while they are taking breaks but they must free the field as soon as the primary users wish to resume flying.
21- In case of any accidents/crashes into private property, the pilot is responsible for maintaining a good tone, staying nice and dealing with the situation as a gentleman.



Pete # 5
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Am happy that you are all aware now of the problems we can get when we grow up without being prepared . I've talked about it long time ago ! But nobody cared !
So please take all this into consideration and let us make this space to meet our peace of mind and relaxation and the happiness we always had to meet each other in a great mood .
Thanks Alexus to bring this as a first priority for the sake of everybody !
Please we need urgently to meet and organize Thumbs



I Dont know what Im Doing but im an Expert at it ! Whether im right or im wrong I'm still the captain!
BUHU # 6
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
I totally agree whith what you say. Insurance is a must, but not limited to one company. There are many companies out there. Besides the main issue here is that the site is full and cannot acomodate new comers. The best way to control this is to ask the hobby shops not to send their
customers to amaz because the captain has made this place for personal use and not a public club. Alexy should add on his list the following.
It is not allowed for the captain to say ahlan wa sahlan for new people otherwise all the efforts we make will be in vain. The way things are going on up there is very inviting for accidents. The site is definitely overcrowded.


Thats the way Bahu bahu
mounirz # 7
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
alexi i would like to modify number 4 in the list... not only children but dogs too. i'm not talking about max or his GF. you know who i meant.

and i would like to add # 22 to the list when a jet pilot or a large scale pilot is on the field the only people that should be around him is his caller and no one else, only when they are done with helping they should maintain their distance.
last time when dany was flying his jet i was his caller then there was 7 people if not more beside him, i found that very annoying so i moved away.
i don't know how he managed to fly that thing with this ammount of people around him.
thanks in advance



i ask god to give people whatever they wish for me
RCVeteran # 8
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Good points Mounir ! will add now, btw we were discussing the issue of dogs right now Smile of course it has nothing to do with Max or his GF, stray dogs are welcome, it is their place, actually they are the caretakers of the place, but leashed dogs that misbehave and aeration of feet and toes on chairs is what we are talking about !
mounirz # 9
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
you got my point.

if you need any help with the thing your doing you know im here.



i ask god to give people whatever they wish for me
mounirz # 10
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
oh and one more thing if we can have a bin for glass, since we are consuming like more than a dozen of beers per day, we can collect these bottles and send them for recycling rather than throwing them in the fire or behind the containers.
thank you



i ask god to give people whatever they wish for me
skywalker # 11
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
The most efficient way guys is to put your comments on the listed points for us to be able to print out and distribute the new rules this Saturday.
A suggestion could also be to leave weekdays free unruled for new comers.


1 Airfield 1 spirit 1 Captain.......Old is gold....Amaz forever
skywalker # 12
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
A suggestion could also be to provide a "Flight Pin" or flag for the pilot who is cleared to fly and to restrict flying to carrying this pin.


1 Airfield 1 spirit 1 Captain.......Old is gold....Amaz forever
skywalker # 13
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
We can also restrict a maximum allowed space on the bench per pilot (excluding the Captain). This would also encourage pilots to arrive early Very


1 Airfield 1 spirit 1 Captain.......Old is gold....Amaz forever
avo # 14
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
I completely agree with Alexie. Security and discipline are very important and this can only be done as a team work. I am ready to assist. But one thing I am not sure, may be the Captain does not agree with every thing that Alexie wishes to execute. this is his land and we can only do what he wishes to do.
DanyG. # 15
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Alex,

Thank you very much for your concern and input. This is a very important subject that can make our great hobby joyful or a pain....
The key to success besides written regulations is the fact that everyone should feel concerned and RESPONSIBLE, meaning that if anyone sees wrong behavior from pilot or spectator,he should step in and not wait for others to do so.

Would suggest, with Pete's approval and consent first to define 3 major zones:
A- Parking area for cars.
B- Spectators area.
C- pilots area.

This is not going to be easy as there are no limitation on the ground but with joint efforts we will be able to manage.

In respect of regulations, continuity is the key of success. Rules that will be enforced should be followed and eventually improved to increase level of security and well fare of all.

Would like to point out that having more than one plane in the air at a time is not really a problem if pilots are able to fly in a pre defined pattern and safely. Reminding you that in MLS days we used to fly regularly 4 or 5 pattern 60 size airplanes at the same time and never had an issue... What i mean to say is that we can do a lot of things but it takes a minimum effort from each and everyone to achieve good results.

Suggest to start electing a reduced committee to finalize initial plan.

PS Skywalker, with all due respect, i don't think that an option for flying during weekdays on a private land should be granted to anyone for several reasons:
1) in case of accident or injury, this could have a very negative impact on Pete and the rest of us.
2)This would give people a de facto right to come and use the land without having recourse to anyone and without following any rule.

Regards,
Dany



skywalker # 16
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Dany you are right, it was only a suggestion. but anything would be better then the current risky situation.
If we would be able to move forward with approving the set of rules b4 this Weekend and distribute them by this Sat with immediate implementation as well as restricting flying after this weekend to only insured and members that alone owuld be a great step.
Till then never take off your eyes from any flying plane cause it may end up your way.
I am volunteering to "sawwed wejje" with anyone who don't abide by the agreed on rules. Buhu also volunteered to be a "Mtawe3" = "law enforcer" as well. I believe others should also volunteer la "swed el-wejj"


1 Airfield 1 spirit 1 Captain.......Old is gold....Amaz forever
DanyG. # 17
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
No problem Skywalker!! as for the "black face" count me in. BTW, i have always been after lazy/careless spectators and cars parked in the flight lanes regardless of rules. No problem to add pilots to the list.
Let's be pro active and organize ourselves.


akaram # 18
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
I guess Avo was right in his comment, we should wait for the Captain to approve each and every point in the rules listed above and this should be done explicitly. Without his GO-AHEAD, we will only blacken our face with people. We also want a promise from him that he will not do any bypasses for anybody later on which will put the executive commitee in an uneasy situation and this will lead to failure of all what we are trying to do.


mounirz # 19
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
everything you are saying is 100% right
i would like to add one important point, every pilot should have a caller and we have to get used to that too....


i ask god to give people whatever they wish for me
DanyG. # 20
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
100% true, waiting for Pete B4 making a moveThumbs


Pete # 21
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Guys , i approve 100% all these rules except rule number 20 ! Let's not make a difference between flying airplanes , scale , turbines and helis or foamies etc...any flying machine is welcome even Ufos !!!!
I will add also that we have to define a flying space and approach pattern . Also i think we should make a pause for noisy models between 2PM and 4PM just not to annoy people living in the buildings near our field avoiding also not to over fly them and Amaz main road . The area behind the containers we have no noise problems at all ! We can fly any time and any model !
So we are waiting for the rules and nominations of comity members !
The only way to avoid problems implementing the rules is : Leave me far from any decision !!!! Otherwise , as Buhu says ! Ahlan Wa sahlan will ruin all our efforts !LaughingLaughingLaughing



I Dont know what Im Doing but im an Expert at it ! Whether im right or im wrong I'm still the captain!
BBTLEB # 22
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Alexos,

Regarding rule number 20 = BULLSHIT
For all the remaining I agree 100%

and next time Alexie pliz be more carefull accusing ppl that they are thieves.
the guy you are talking about may be much better than some ppl you think are good including you.

BTW Captain ask the guyz in France if they return your money back bcoz you will not be able to fly your new heli regarding to the rule number 20 Smile
Unless Mr. Alex accepts canceling that rule !!!

rgds,
Serge


DanyG. # 23
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
This thread should remain free of unproductive talks and we should all concentrate on good organization and safety issues...
Hope we all agree on this point at least.


BBTLEB # 24
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
u mean rule number 20 and accusing ppl as theives unproductive talks right Dan?
Just read the rule number 20 one more time Dan, and see how unproductive is it.
its like a joke Smile
common Alexie ,
You cant write everything that is on ur mind,
NOT ONLY YOU ARE READING IT!
there as a large "community" reading this thread.
from which 50% flies helis as primary flying models.
akaram # 25
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Serge,

Maybe you are right about rule #20, if we agree that it is bad let us remove it no problem.

As for the Captain's heli dont worry, it is protected by the same rule which starts with "Turbine models ", nothing was mentioned that it should be fixed wing on purpose and the captain's scale heli is turbine powered so it is Category A Smile

As for the guy who fiddled in my fieldbox, I didnt mention his name and did not say that he stole, but what he did is outrageous and unacceptable and nobody should touch anybody's things up there without asking permission !!! Even close friends in the group should not do it under any circumstance !!! Btw another thing that happened is that I had a closed pack of tissue paper on the floor of my car at the back together with other stuff from AbouKhalil and somebody had the nerve to open my car, remove the kleenex pack from the bag, open it, use it and leave it on the front seat also without permission !!! I would die and not open anybody's car !!! This is too much you have to admit it, no respect for anything !!! And I could only think that this guy did it !!! someone who can open your toolbox can open your car and .... you get the idea ....


avo # 26
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Captain, under which jurisdiction can a guest override your Ahlan Wa Wahlan, on your own land?
akaram # 27
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Dear Serge, why do you sound so offended and aggressive.

I just read the Captain's response, see, he is with you regarding rule #20 so we will remove it. We will add the rule regarding the noisy models from 2 to 4.

I will explain to you why I thought it was normal to put such a rule, and by the way this rule exists in almost every model club abroad, I did some readings before putting this rule and it is legitimate. Fixed wing fliers have no place to fly their planes except in AMAZ and in Hamate, even a small glow plane cannot be operated anywhere whereas helis can be flown anywhere anytime (as SAM's signature says) and lately there are so many helis using up valuable airtime and runway ... anyways forget this rule.

Captain, in rule #10 I defined the flyzone which we have to amend as per your advice.


akaram # 28
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Here is an updated version, please comment and suggest changes/amendments, the list should also be sorted to be more consistent:

1- Nobody is allowed to fly unless he has a valid insurance and the AMAZ-Pilots’ card (the card is free and issued upon the approval of a special senior committee)
2- Heavy swearing and dirty jargon are to be abstained from on the field, all communications should be done in a nice language that reflects good culture and not the opposite.
3- Nobody is allowed to touch anybody’s belongings especially models and field equipment, violators will be shot, survivors will be shot again !
4- Anybody whoever he is if he arrives with his children or dog(s) to the field, is to stay with his children/dog(s) and control them. No visitor dogs are allowed to wander around (this of course does not include Max, his GF or friends), no children are allowed near the workbench, near large models on the ground or near the runway ! This is for their own and our models’ safety.
5- NO RC cars are allowed at or near the field.
6- All frequencies are to be controlled, upon arrival everyone should mark his frequency with a peg.
7- The place should be kept clean, we are not pigs ! What is happening is that at the end of the day always the same people are collecting the trash from all over. If you cannot abstain from littering, do not come, you are not welcome ! otherwise every person should pick up his own litter.
8- Newcomers are not allowed to fly their models. Test flights can be conducted at the discretion of the senior members’ committee by a senior pilot and the further acceptance of the person as a member of the group and as a solo pilot completely relies on the committee’s decision.
9- Planes are not to be started on the bench.
10- The area to the South of the runway is a no-fly zone.
11- Engine break-in is not to be done during the day, only before 9:00am or after dawn.
12- No one is allowed to fly if another model is in the air unless the 2 pilots both agreed on that and have no problems and are able to safely follow a safe pattern to avoid collisions.
13- Anybody flying recklessly will be ordered to land immediately by any of the members of the senior committee.
14- Test running engines on the ground while somebody is flying is strictly forbidden unless the person flying and the person on the ground both agree and the person flying has no problem with that.
15- When more than 10 people are at the field, flying will be governed by a queue and everybody will be expected to abide and wait for his turn to come.
16- Newcomers who are referred by a current member are to be educated and a copy of those rules is to be handed to them upon or before arrival.
17- 17- All new models must have a radio check conducted with the assistance of another member.
18- Any new model should be inspected by the senior committee and if it is classified as not airworthy, it is not allowed to fly.
19- No spectators are allowed near the workbench or near the runway.
20- In case of any accidents/crashes into private property, the pilot is responsible for maintaining a good tone, staying nice and dealing with the situation as a gentleman.
21- When a jet pilot or a large scale pilot is on the field the only people that should be around him are his caller and no one else, other helpers should maintain their distance as soon as they are done with helping.
22- Flying Noisy models between 2 :00 pm and 4:00 pm is not allowed especially over the village and the main road leading to it. (any glow, gas or turbine model is considered as noisy)


DanyG. # 29
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Glad we're back on track.
Sergio, no offence but as i see it is custom that a thread starts with a specific subject and slowely drifts to other subjects.
Nevertheless, i do agree that Helis are part of the Amaz life regardless of own preferences and that we should not discriminate any flying machine, but instead organize things efficiently.
As for looking into others stuff and borrowing w/out permission, i believe that this should not happen and i have personally suffered a lot back in the old days from many items lost due to this fact... Just for the record.
Back to the subject!!


mounirz # 30
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
the rules are coming together in a very good way, and i think we will all abide by the rules.
at least there will not be a 150 cc plane hovering over our cars/heads Smile

we have to add that it is "allowed" to torqueroll over the me72een pleaseeee. i can't but see lallous do it hehehe...


i ask god to give people whatever they wish for me
HAJJ # 31
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Great to be aware of unforseen dangers and trying to avoid them,before they occur.
nice rules.should be mostly acceptable to most to abide to.when I started reading,I did not feel comfortable with rule 20.flying model airplanes includes a large facet of flying categories.this is left to the taste of the modeller,as long as it is approved safe.RTP and control line,though not much practiced is another choice.but reading down further Ithink the point was rectified.
kindly AVO,2 sundays ago you were inquiring about insurance issues.I kindly asked you to cut me in,irrespective of the cost. please .thank you.




scratch building is fun...use that right angle to set EACH WINGTIP at a minimum height of 6.5 cm...
BBTLEB # 32
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Dany ,

i am not trying to be offencive here.
but it would be beter if alexi kept that rule for himself.
because its not only unecceptable.
but it is SHAME to think that way.

serge
hisham # 33
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
A subjective point of view for the old #20 rule, is the following: why dont we decide on a spot and construct Heli pad(s), these pad are found in several big r/c flying fields around the world.... and they would be a good solution (my opinion) for this matter. Fixed wing pilots would be flying on the long runway while heli pilots are enjoying their precious time as well.
Exclamation
H


Scratch building is my way. !! Dont u just Hate it when a warbird crashes...... A scale model is like a good book. The more you look, the more you discover.
akaram # 34
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Did go through all your comments and have added a few points, please check below latest revision of the rules.
As a next step I propose each and everyone of you suggests members for the commitee and those who are really willing to help should volunteer.
Till now there are 4 volunteers mainly Dany, Sebouh, Hady Tanissa and me.

As I see it the bigger the commitee the better, it doesnt have to be limited to a few people, what do you think ?


akaram # 35
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
1- Nobody is allowed to fly unless he has a valid insurance and the AMAZ-Pilots’ card (the card is free and issued upon the approval of a special senior committee)
2- Heavy swearing and dirty jargon are to be abstained from on the field, all communications should be done in a nice language that reflects good culture and not the opposite.
3- Nobody is allowed to touch anybody’s belongings especially models and field equipment, violators will be put to shame, demeaned and humiliated.
4- Anybody whoever he is if he arrives with his children or dog(s) to the field, is to stay with his children/dog(s) and control them. No visitor dogs are allowed to wander around (this of course does not include Max, his GF or friends), no children are allowed near the workbench, near large models on the ground or near the runway ! This is for their own and our models’ safety.
5- NO RC cars are allowed at or near the field.
6- All frequencies are to be controlled, upon arrival everyone should mark his frequency with a peg.
7- The place should be kept clean, we are not pigs ! What is happening is that at the end of the day always the same people are collecting the trash from all over. If you cannot abstain from littering, do not come, you are not welcome ! otherwise every person should pick up his own litter.
8- Newcomers are not allowed to fly their models. Test flights can be conducted at the discretion of the senior members’ committee by a senior pilot and the further acceptance of the person as a member of the group and as a solo pilot completely relies on the committee’s decision.
9- Planes are not to be started on the bench.
10- The area to the South of the runway is a no-fly zone.
11- Engine break-in is not to be done during the day, only before 9:00am or after dawn.
12- No one is allowed to fly if another model is in the air unless the 2 pilots both agreed on that and have no problems and are able to safely follow a safe pattern to avoid collisions.
13- Anybody flying recklessly will be ordered to land immediately by any of the members of the senior committee.
14- Test running engines on the ground while somebody is flying is strictly forbidden unless the person flying and the person on the ground both agree and the person flying has no problem with that.
15- When more than 10 people are at the field, flying will be governed by a queue and everybody will be expected to abide and wait for his turn to come.
16- Newcomers who are referred by a current member are to be educated and a copy of those rules is to be handed to them upon or before arrival.
17- All new models must have a radio check conducted with the assistance of another member.
18- Any new model should be inspected by the senior committee and if it is classified as not airworthy, it is not allowed to fly.
19- No spectators are allowed near the workbench or near the runway.
20- In case of any accidents/crashes into private property, the pilot is responsible for maintaining a good tone, staying nice and dealing with the situation as a gentleman.
21- When a jet pilot or a large scale pilot is on the field the only people that should be around him are his caller and no one else, other helpers should maintain their distance as soon as they are done with helping.
22- Flying Noisy models between 2 :00 pm and 4:00 pm is not allowed especially over the village and the main road leading to it. (any glow, gas or turbine model is considered as noisy)
23- Dealers, hobby shop owners and everybody should always remember that AMAZ airfield is a private property of Dr. Pierre Borgi which he built to enjoy his hobby in a closed circle of close friends. This implies that nobody is to use the premises for his customers especially that the current member count exceeds the field’s capacity to accommodate the existing group.
24- Flying from Monday to Friday inclusive is prohibited unless special permission is taken from Dr. Borgi. In case of accident, injury or disturbance to the surrounding village, this could have a very negative impact on Dr. Bourgi and the rest of us.
25- Space on the bench should be used sparingly taking into consideration other members’ needs.
26- Cars should be parked only in the designated parking space on both sides and behind the front line of the workbench. Any members/visitors parking elsewhere will be asked to remove their cars.
27- Everybody is responsible to abide by and enforce the above rules, in addition to that, an executive committee whose members are listed below will be in charge of making sure the above rules are implemented.
Committee members:
(members listed here)





DanyG. # 36
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Guys check out this link: http://henrycountyrcclub.com/club_1/hcrcc_bylaws.pdf
You will find it particularly interesting towards the end, revealing specific maneuvers which will enable new pilots to fly solo.


hady # 37
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
thats great guy's i am for once 100% with Alexy and the rules . we have been waiting for such a move, Thank you Alexy Smile
i would like also to add and by courtesy to Guyo the owner of this website, and we all know all the effort he is doing for it to become of high international standard, and i want it to be, and i guess that we all want this site to become an international reference of the middle-east. I urge you guys not to destroy this dream and i am talking about akram, Skywalker, saouda, in general and all of us, to mind our language and to be more friendly toward each other's comments .
i personally would never participate in any website that have so many unethical comments.
I HOPE WE WILL ALL RESPECT OUR WEBSITE AND BEHAVE ACCORDINGLY.


A helicopter in flight is a “bunch of spare parts flying in close formation.”
akaram # 38
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Osta, commenting on the pics here is fun, safe and has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. If we switch to sweet honeyed language, the whole thing will become dull.

Dany, interesting document, will read and extract a couple of good points not mentioned in our list.


Pete # 39
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
Very good guys we should keep pressure until reaching our aim !
DAN very inspiring and interesting document ! I am sure Alexus will get the best out of it !
I agree on the 4 volunteers it's a super start i would also appreciate if Sergio also will join this comity !Exclamation



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hady # 40
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
Alexy sometimes comments made are not funny at all they could be fun for you but not for others .
anyway thats not the subject but i wanted to clear also this point .
thanks


A helicopter in flight is a “bunch of spare parts flying in close formation.”
skywalker # 41
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
Rules alternation (suggestions):
3- everything after the word equipment should be deleted.
4- we should add : "Amaz is not a safe place for children since accidents may happen, parents or gardians should be totally alert of this fact and to assume total responsibilty".
7- It should read "Place should be kept clean, no littering is allowed and trash bags should be disposed with every leaving pilot. Chairs are not radio controlled so it does not move out of the container alone and nor they can go in alone as well".
22- Noisy models are "Gas & Turbine powered" and not glow or else 2:00 to 4:00 would be Heli & Electric time and most of us would terminate their flying day at 2:00. BTW is it an international siesta time (2 till 4) ??
A new rule should say "Problematic models should not stay for more then 15 minutes on the runway for troubleshooting".


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skywalker # 42
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
Osta my friend, on a different note I totally agree with you about the funny comments. Tried what you said (the Hare Krishna way) for a long time but I was continously annoyed by such comments (don't look around, I mean directly your comments) so I moved to the pro-active way and it proved to be fun as well. My comments are and would always be totally defensive ones but may come in "delayed fuse mode" "We would strike back but at our own agenda". It is healthy for u to start self criticism in public and i have no problem in abstaining from "funny" reactive comments as long as you stop initiating them.
Now back to the main subject.


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mounirz # 43
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
i'm in for the help, count me in guys.

guyo: i know u know but once the rules are done they can be published on amazrc website as a reference with a version number to keep track of any changes.




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akaram # 44
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
Will take Skywalker's and Avo's comments into consideration and update when I get home.



ACE Pilot # 45
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
What a great piece of news. Keep on the good work guys and hope THIS TIME our dream comes true.
God bless you all.


akaram # 46
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
SAID, KOL K***A


akaram # 47
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
Let us all express our sincerest Thanks to Mr. Said Khalil for his invaluable, brilliant contribution to what we are doing. This time you really made a difference !


HELIOS # 48
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
AGAIN !!!
FOR THE PEACE OF ALL MANKIND !!!
( Albert Hammond !!!)
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HELIOS # 49
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
A Brilliant Contribution :
2- Heavy swearing and DIRTY JARGON are to be abstained from on the field ( AND WEBBSITE), all communications should be done in a NICE language that reflects GOOD culture and not the OPPOSITE.
THAT UNDOUBTEDLY WILL AVOID MATTERS TO ESCALATE AND SNOWBALL !!!






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akaram # 50
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
BACK TO THE SUBJECT:

I have finalized/amended (I believe so) the final draft of the rules taking into consideration all your comments. What is left to do is just to sort them so that more or less similar rules are grouped together and that the most important points are at the top. Any help in sorting them will be welcome. I do believe that this is more than enough, complicating things more will only lead to failure so let us start with this and try to enforce it and then little by little if all goes well we will add/elaborate on those rules.
Also left to finalize commitee members, please go Ahead and suggest/volunteer !


akaram # 51
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
1- Nobody is allowed to fly unless he has a valid insurance and the AMAZ-Pilots’ card and has fully read and understood the following rules. (the card is free and issued upon the approval of a special senior committee)
2- Heavy swearing and dirty jargon are to be abstained from on the field, all communications should be done in a nice language that reflects good culture and not the opposite.
3- Nobody is allowed to touch anybody’s belongings especially models and field equipment.
4- Anybody whoever he is if he arrives with his children or dog(s) to the field, is to stay with his children/dog(s) and control them. No visitor dogs are allowed to wander around (this of course does not include Max, his GF or friends), no children are allowed near the workbench, near large models on the ground or near the runway ! This is for their own and our models’ safety. Amaz is not a safe place for children since accidents may happen, parents or gardians should be totally aware of this fact and to assume total responsibility for anything that may happen to their children.
5- Spectators are welcome, however they should be asked immediately to remain in the assigned area (to the left or right side of the workbench away from the runway). They can approach the workbench only if invited by a pilot.
6- NO RC cars are allowed at or near the field.
7- All frequencies are to be controlled, upon arrival everyone should mark his frequency with a peg before turning on his radio.
8- The place should be kept clean, we are not pigs ! What is happening is that at the end of the day always the same people are collecting the trash from all over. If you cannot abstain from littering, do not come, you are not welcome ! Otherwise every person should pick up his own litter whether at the workbench or in the sitting area and take it with him for disposal when he leaves.
9- Newcomers are not allowed to fly their models. Test flights can be conducted at the discretion of the senior members’ committee by a senior pilot and the further acceptance of the person as a member of the group and as a solo pilot completely relies on the committee’s decision. Until then, the novice pilot should always be accompanied by an experienced pilot.
10- An instructor/senior pilot is not financially responsible for a student’s/beginner’s aircraft in case of damage or a crash.
11- Planes are not to be started on the bench.
12- The area to the South of the runway is a no-fly zone.
13- Engine break-in is not to be done during the day, only before 9:00am or after dawn and should be restricted to the far east part of the runway (beginning of black patch) .
14- No one is allowed to fly if another model is in the air unless the 2 pilots both agreed on that and have no problems and are able to safely follow a safe pattern to avoid collisions.

15- Anybody flying recklessly or breaking any of the rules will be ordered to land/leave immediately by any of the members of the senior committee.
16- Test running engines on the ground while somebody is flying is strictly forbidden unless the person flying and the person on the ground both agree and the person flying has no problem with that.
17- When more than 10 people are at the field, flying will be governed by a queue that will be organized in writing and everybody will be expected to abide and wait for his turn to come, a pilot can take somebody else’s turn by mutual agreement only.
18- All new models must have a radio check conducted with the assistance of another member.
19- Any new/repaired model should be inspected by the senior committee and if it is classified as not airworthy, it is not allowed to fly.
20- No spectators are allowed near the workbench or near the runway.
21- In case of any accidents/crashes into private property, the pilot is responsible for maintaining a good tone, staying nice and dealing with the situation as a gentleman.
22- Every pilot is to have a Helper/Caller beside him while flying whose primary role is to ensure a safe flight by not allowing people to approach the runway/pilot, clearing the runway for landing, handling and calling out emergency situations, watching wind direction for landing etc. When a pilot is on the runway the only people that should be around him are his caller and no one else, other helpers should maintain their distance as soon as they are done with helping.
23- Flying Noisy models between 2 :00 pm and 4:00 pm is not allowed especially over the village and the main road leading to it. ( any gasoline or turbine model is considered to be noisy, the committee’s judgement should be used for classifying a glow powered model as noisy or acceptable)
24- Dealers, hobby shop owners and everybody should always remember that AMAZ airfield is a private property of Dr. Pierre Borgi which he built to enjoy his hobby in a closed circle of close friends. This implies that nobody is to use the premises for his customers especially that the current member count exceeds the field’s capacity to accommodate the existing group.
25- Flying from Monday to Friday inclusive is prohibited unless special permission is taken from Dr. Borgi. In case of accident, injury or disturbance to the surrounding village, this could have a very negative impact on Dr. Bourgi and the rest of us.
26- Space on the bench should be used sparingly taking into consideration other members’ needs.
27- Problematic models should not stay for more then 15 minutes on the runway for troubleshooting.
28- Cars should be parked only in the designated parking space on both sides and behind the front line of the workbench. Any members/visitors parking elsewhere will be asked to remove their cars.
29- Everybody is responsible to abide by and enforce the above rules, in addition to that, an executive committee whose members are listed below will be in charge of making sure the above rules are implemented.
Committee members:
1. Dany Geday
2. Avedis Tutunjian
3. Sebouh Babahekian
4. Hady Tanissa
5. Mounir Zoorob
6. Serge Marashlian
7. Alexei Karam


DanyG. # 52
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
Beleive no committee can function without President and i mean Pete of courseThumbs


Pete # 53
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
I agree 100% on Alexus last edition of the rules . I think we should print a copy and discuss it all together this week end so as we can have it ready to implement from now on .
Also i trust all of these 7 names Thumbs i am sure they will take good care so as every week end will be unique for all of us Exclamation



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Pete # 54
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
Dan ! Not at all me !!! Beleive me i will spoil all your decisions VeryVeryVery What i suggest is : among the seven we will change one every year Exclamation



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BBTLEB # 55
Thursday, July 16, 2009
thank you guyz for adding me in the commitee
hope i will be able to be ""addel 7amle"" Smile
mounirz # 56
Thursday, July 16, 2009
well i rearranged some of the rules, and ordered them.
hope i did a good job....
check attached document




 amazrules.docx


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SkyGuard # 57
Thursday, July 16, 2009
Well-done Alexi we all have been waiting for some mumber to take a step and the responsebility toward AMAZ AF and mumbers's safty, I do agree on all the rules are written above, and strongly stand by the senior committee members, good luck and god bless you all.


skywalker # 58
Thursday, July 16, 2009
Captain to spare you the "e7raj" I would recommend you to be Honorary President and Kahuna of the committee. This way you would hold executive powers and overiding authority without direct blame.


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avo # 59
Thursday, July 16, 2009
Thank you for the confidence you have in me, and the other committee members. I will try to help out as much as possible. I need to clarify:

1- Does a committee member mean that he has to do all the dirty work by himself? Can a committee member ask other club members to assist. For example, can I ask a fellow pilot to tell a visitor to back up? In my belief this should be a team work and every body must help.

2- I suggest every body who wish to fly, should have a person behind him, may be a co-pilot, controlling the background and be responsible for him, check the runway before landing for example.

please comment
mounirz # 60
Thursday, July 16, 2009
Avo, if there is a dirty job and u need help don't hesitate to ask,

as for the co-pilot aka "caller" is allready mentioned in the rules,
and each pilot can choose th caller he wants who makes him the most confortable during flight, the caller is one of the important things that we are going to apply.
and there will be only one caller near you when you fly your plane and not seven people ;)


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DanyG. # 61
Thursday, July 16, 2009
Skywalker, fully support your idea.
Avo, this can never work if we will have people around pretending that it is not their concern.
Presume committee is here to organize things but implementation will be a shared responsability among all pilots present at the field.


HAJJ # 62
Thursday, July 16, 2009
MABROUK ,the dedication to come out with the rules is a good lesson in team/club work.
AS long as it was a team effort,success will be guaranteed.
MABROUK to the committee too.ALL experienced, respectable, and dedicated.
wished that the CAPTAIN,though, accepted the presidency.
but,still, in my humble opinion,and due respect,the CAPTAIN should have the honorary power of attorney.

Very



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avo # 63
Thursday, July 16, 2009
Thank you Mounir for your help. But your name is in the list of the committee members, my question goes to non committee members. unless you want to do all the work by yourself. if so when are u going to fly?
mounirz # 64
Thursday, July 16, 2009
i miss understood ur question at first,
but anyways i always do whatever i can to help Smile




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skywalker # 65
Thursday, July 16, 2009
Just a thought: Maybe we can also ask for monthly membership fee from all accepted members and to form a trust from which we can buy accessories and perform minimal jobs to keep our runway and flying site in order or maybe add more space to our tables and even to add a cover . even a $10/month would be a good start. again just a thought.
We should also add to the set of rules a Bold banner saying "From July 25 and on, only insured pilots and members are allowed to use the premises"


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akaram # 66
Thursday, July 16, 2009
Thanks Mounir, great job and you improved the organization of the points !

Regarding the monthly payment I agree 100% but I guess this can only be done if the Captain agrees. We have to discuss this point with him and get his approval.


Air-Wolf # 67
Thursday, July 16, 2009
Congratualions for all committee members and for all pilots that will have Amaz as a better and safer place now,I'm sure these rules will make Amaz more professional than ever.Avo as an answer to your question: I will be glad to assist and help all committee members in applying the rules and I think all committed pilots will be willing to help too,so no need to worry about that.The rules are well defined and the committee members are well chosen,I think with Guyo's efforts to always improve this website and the new committee efforts now,Amaz will be a greater place... Mabrouk Captainm... Smile


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avo # 68
Thursday, July 16, 2009
Guys, for all of you who wish to have an insurance policy, kindly call Miss Samar Hajj at 01-442880. Tell her that u wish to do AMAZ airplanes insurance, and she will take care of the matter.
BUHU # 69
Thursday, July 16, 2009
Thank you all for your confidence in me an choosing me as a member of the comitee.


Thats the way Bahu bahu
akaram # 70
Thursday, July 16, 2009
We also have to prepare a form for everybody to fill, based on it we will have a log of all members and their insurance status and will produce AMAZRC membership cards accordingly.


Pete # 71
Thursday, July 16, 2009
Skywalker , no need for titles Embarassed We need action Wink
NO MONTHLY FEE NO MEMBERSHIPMad I am ready to improve whatever you decide but please let me know and let us decide all together Exclamation Just tell me how do you want to increase the capacity of the table Question So i can explain to the workers how they have to do it Exclamation I thought also about refreshing the paint and adding the exact direction of each side of the runway etc... Hope we can discuss all this under our pine tree this week end Very



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Pete # 72
Thursday, July 16, 2009
Alexus i would love to add these PILOTS RULES also :
RULES OF THE AIRWAYS

1-Takeoff's are optional. Landings are mandatory.

2-Flying is not dangerous; crashing is dangerous.

3-Speed is life, altitude is life insurance. No one has ever collided
with the sky.

4-The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

5-Flying is the second greatest thrill known to man. Landing is the first!

6-Everyone knows a 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away.
But a 'great landing is one after which you can use the airplane
again.

7-The probability of survival is equal to the angle of arrival.

8-Was that a landing or were we shot down?

9-Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to
make all of them yourself.

10-Trust your captain.... but keep your seat belt securely fastened.

11-Be nice to your first officer, he may be your captain at your next airline.

12-Any attempt to stretch fuel is guaranteed to increase headwind.

13-A pilot is a confused soul who talks about women when he's flying,
and about flying when he's with a woman.

14-Try to keep the number of your landings equal to the number of your
takeoffs.

15-There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no
old, bold, pilots!

16-Gravity never loses! The best you can hope for is a draw!

17-Gravity SUCKS!!
LaughingLaughingLaughing



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Guyo # 73
Friday, July 17, 2009
I as well want to congratulate the new designated AMAZRC committee and wish her the best in all her future endeavors.
The new committee can now internally communicate or be officially reached through the new group mail account: committee@amazrc.com

On the other hand, may I suggest the following addendum to rule 22:
The official or delegated AMAZRC reporter / photographer / cameraman has a total green light to be present anywhere on the field for proper media coverage.
In case of injury, the airborne pilot is relieved from any responsibility, provided that the injury is not the result of an intentional act.


Now how to prove it’s not intentional, is a totally different issueVery
Probably the committee has to decide on that
Rolling


ACE Pilot # 74
Friday, July 17, 2009
Ya Alex Ya Mou7taram you misunderstood my comment. I did not mean to underestimate and undervalue your efforts. But and unfortunately this is may be trial number five and actually I don’t believe anymore in such organizing committees. Just check previous threads, and ask about the many meetings we did, we usually starts with a lot of devotion than it ended like nothing happened.
Dear friend alexus, I do really hope you the best success for this time and this is why I said “hope our dream comes true”.

BTW is it fair that one of the main committee members “You”, to Break the rule number 2 ((( Heavy swearing and dirty jargon are to be abstained from on the field, all communications should be done in a nice language that reflects good culture and not the opposite.)))), by telling me (((SAID, KOL K***A))).

This and especially what you did my friend may help you to understand what I meant in my previous post.

Sorry Guys for what you are going to read in the following closure, but I have to reply to my friend “AL MOU7TARAM”.

“ALEX, FIKK TEL7**S AY**H”.



akaram # 75
Friday, July 17, 2009
Good addendum to rule #22, as for the email, I suggest you also add another one ! Actually we decided to call the thing LAMA (Lebanese Association for Model Aviation) so LAMA@amazrc.com will be better and easier for many as I am sure 50% of people will write the word committee incorrectly Smile


avo # 76
Friday, July 17, 2009
The masterpiece:

Was that a landing or were we shot down?
Guyo # 77
Friday, July 17, 2009
In response to Alex's request, the new committee can now internally communicate or be officially reached through these new group mail accounts:
committee@amazrc.com
lama@amazrc.com



DanyG. # 78
Friday, July 17, 2009
Suggest that from now on rule #22 be applicable on the field and website. Please confirm in writting your agreement.


skywalker # 79
Friday, July 17, 2009
Saouda since you use & master the same language like Alexus, why were you offended in the first place ????
And beside you should be an Army leader in the way you boost the morals Thumbs


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akaram # 80
Friday, July 17, 2009
ried sending to lama@amazrc.com, not working

The following message to was undeliverable.
The reason for the problem:
5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'unrouteable address'

Dany, what do you mean by your last comment ?


ACE Pilot # 81
Friday, July 17, 2009
It seems Bro your flying skills are too close to your logic and analysis. Ya3neh hannineh fik.

And in addition to your illogical skills you are so cower in a way you do not dare to stop the one who at first started this kind of dirty language.

Apparently a Shit cannot criticize a similar Shit.



ACE Pilot # 82
Friday, July 17, 2009
Alex my friend. I guess Dany meant Rule number two twice.


skywalker # 83
Friday, July 17, 2009
Dear Saouda, Your contribution to this thread is as usual unvaluable and your appearance and ups and downs are also a real reflection of your flying style. You surely is as reliable as your models with only 1 plane still standing and the rest at Zantout's shop. Someone with a million crash, endless broken props and Landing gears and wreckaged Helis as well as attacking people's parked cars thinking he can hover, not sure how much nerves and detachment from reality it would take him to criticize other pilots.
As for the rest of your reply, i am sorry but I don't speak this language.
And BTW what the hell is "cower" ??? "ra3e ba2ar" ? u mean ?? not sure really but I certainly consider you my Bro as usual and a human being


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DanyG. # 84
Friday, July 17, 2009
Sorry for typo, meant rule #2.
Back to thread.
Have prepared attendance sheet which propose to hand over to regular and early attendant, George, if he is willing.
Another form is also on the way to organize flights during the day, giving a chance to all to fly at least equally...


akaram # 85
Friday, July 17, 2009
Hi Dany, I would love to keep the website without rules, it is a fun place for us, btw never ever did anybody get as dirty and as low as Said Khalil did today, it is just because he does not care anymore about us, the site or anything we are trying to do. Last weekend he was there just out of courtesy for Alain nothing more ...


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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